What finally brought about the death of my Reconstructionist identity was Hermes himself. He told me it was time to drop the label and take a couple steps back from the community at large (which is not to say I was ever heavily involved beyond list lurking). And since he is really the center of my religious life, what he wants he gets.
That was the final nail in the coffin. Truth be told, this was building for quite some time, perhaps even from the beginning.
I discovered the Recon community after maybe a year or so of reading about Wicca and generic eclectic NeoPaganism and finding it unsatisfying for a variety of reasons. I appreciated the respect people in the Recon community had for studying the ancient traditions, actually respecting the deities as individuals instead of treating them like genies that exist only to do you favors. I signed right up, I thought I had found my home.
One mistake that I made then, and which unfortunately many people still make now (deliberately or not) is thinking its a matter of one or the other; either you are a hard line Reconstructionist or a fluffy eclectic, either you follow tradition to the letter or you do not give a shit at all. This is not even remotely true, its more of a spectrum than two opposing sides, with many different shades and layers in between. Not having ever been a hard line Recon, or even a self identifying Recon at all anymore, does not automatically put me on the side of the fluffy thoughtless eclectics. If that is, in all honesty, what you believe, I suggest you get out there and try interacting with some actual people instead of thinking that you can decide the way the world is without ever having left your tiny corner of it.
There are also, again unfortunately, some very negative and very persistent stereotypes that people on the one side will use to paint the other with wide, careless strokes. It is absolutely not true that all people who identify as Pagans (as opposed to Recons) don’t care about tradition at all, do no studying beyond books found in the New Age section with the little half moon on the spine, and basically do whatever they want because it feels good to them and who cares about the deities involved. Do such people exist? Absolutely, and they are a sadly very vocal segment, but vocal does not equal numbers (in fact, often enough it equals the opposite). I personally know a number of self identifying NeoPagans that are very well read, very devoted to their deities (as opposed to only trying to make themselves feel good) and are very respectful of tradition whether they choose to follow it to the letter or not (and to be perfectly honest, whether someone wants to replicate tradition exactly or not, I do prefer they at least make their decision from a place of knowledge rather than ignorance). I do know of others who are … well, not so respectful. But to act as though those who are thoughtful and do know what they are doing either don’t exist or are in such an extreme minority that broad brushing the whole faith in this less than flattering picture is perfectly fine is horribly unfair.
And there can be problems in the Recon circles as well. Some have the idea that Reconstructionism is more like a religious reenactment society than an actual living faith, that people mostly just study and analyze and philosophize and talk endlessly but never actually practice, that everyone worships culture more than the gods. And are there people like that in the movement? Oh absolutely. But is that everyone, or even most everyone? Hell no. I have met some incredibly devoted people in this community, and my experiences in it have for the most part been positive.
The stereotypes and generalizations though can be easy enough to buy into, especially if you are new to things and don’t know any better. It can be easy to make the mistake of thinking, “Well, I know I’m not in that camp (whichever you may find more distasteful) so then I guess I must be in this other one.” It can make it harder to let go of labels if you believe, even in the back of your mind, that if you do so you will immediately become that other extreme that you don’t really want to be either.
I was fortunate to have come into the more, some would say moderate segment of the Hellenic Recon community, I wouldn’t brush up against those with far more extreme opinions until much later. Had the lore thumpers been my community I think these problems would have surfaced much earlier, assuming I had even been allowed to have my Recon career in the first place (and I doubt it). But even in the more moderate group, those gaps between where I was and where so many others were became apparent to me very early on. And so the struggle, between where I was finding myself and where I felt I needed to be as someone under a label, began.
Reconstructionism is not a religion, it is a methodology; it is a way to approach religion, to approach tradition. But it is also a community, it is a group of people united in that methodology. Nobody does things all the same, some things will be more important to one person than it will be to another, there are many different interpretations, theories and opinions. Still, there are some themes that do appear to be for the most part community wide, practices or beliefs that most seem to hold as a part of being Reconstructionist. And, for myself anyway, I felt there was a limit to how many of those near constant themes I can diverge from before I have to admit that I am out of line with everyone else.
Practice wise, the differences are not that deep. My rituals are very bare bones, candles and offerings and prayers/hymns and long meditation; I don’t require much in the way of pomp and circumstance, I have found simple works best. When it comes to studying ancient lore and history I consider it a must, if you wish to serve a deity now you do need to know who they were once considered to be, how that service was once done. And although I have no problems with reasonable innovation and UPG (ongoing communication from the gods is what makes this a living faith, after all), sticking to tradition as close as possible should always be the default position when approaching any deity you don’t know; these are offerings/activities they have been known to like in the past, its a reasonable place to begin; now if after the relationship has been established they tell you they want something different that’s fine, but why start out with guess work when someone else has already done the job for you? Keep in mind also I am not one of those people who believes the gods appreciate anything and everything you do for them, I do believe they can be offended, especially by those unwilling to put any real effort into a relationship or show them any consideration as independent beings that exist apart from you.
Its in other areas that I find my path just diverges from others.
1. Many Hellenic Recons believe it is absolutely necessary to worship every deity in the pantheon more or less equally; one person in particular classifies the “worship of the twelve” as an absolute requirement (there are other problems with that statement, but takes us beyond my point). I really don’t believe it is possible to worship all the gods equally, even beyond the issue of patrons there will always be a few you like and connect with more than others. But still, this does seem to be something the vast majority of the community agrees with and observes to the best of their abilities.
I ignored the other deities initially because Hermes was the one dancing for my attention and I felt instinctively that it was important to really establish that primary relationship, so I gave him my full attention. Later on I tried to expand that, I found Dionysos to be friendly enough although far in the background from where Hermes was. But the other deities mostly weren’t there, there were some I found impossible to relate to (as a mostly rootless wanderer, how do I connect with Hestia?), and two told me very clearly to get lost and don’t come back.
I do agree that it is never acceptable to disrespect a god, and I respect all deities for what they are and the place they hold in the world whether its a place that touches me or not. But respect and worship do not necessarily go hand in hand. Just because God X from whatever pantheon likes you is no guarantee his sister Goddess Y is going to feel the same way. And if a deity has repeatedly shown a total lack of interest in you, is it really respectful of them to continue pushing up on them against their obvious wishes?
2. Reconstructionism is, for the most part, modeled on the religion of Joe and Jane Average, and most people in any given religion are going to be general practitioners. The modern Recon community is designed to encourage those who come into it to be general practitioners; the word enforce can always be used for those people who firmly believe this is the only way to be and do not understand that not every person is necessarily supposed to be on the exact same path.
I am more a spiritual specialist, in that my focus is narrowed to one particular field of the human spiritual experience, as opposed to the broader picture. This is not something that I planned on or asked for, I was fine with being a general practitioner, but plans don’t always work out the way you think they will and you can’t always choose your gods. It wasn’t even something I fully realized for a long while, it took time before I started to see the themes and patterns. Some may argue that this is not very balanced, I think that can be debated (for one thing not everyone’s balance is going to look exactly the same), but I do believe it is part of the overall balance to have some people be so focused, it wouldn’t happen if it wasn’t necessary somehow.
Because mindless accusations do get made, let me state for the record: there is absolutely nothing wrong or inferior with being a general practitioner. Before you decide to assume this is all about feeling special with me, I challenge you to find where I ever said that having an “average” devotional life was inferior, or where I ever made anyone feel less than me for not having the same experiences I do.
3. I have contacts in the Norse pantheon as well as the Greeks. Now how offensive or not being dual trad is will depend on who you are talking to, some absolutely deplore the idea while plenty of others have no issues at all. Of course I hesitate to call myself dual trad, as the situation with the Norse deities seems to be shaping up much the same way the Greek gods did: my contacts are with two very specific deities while the rest of the pantheon mostly leaves me alone (although I have been informed Freya thinks I’m cool shit).
Now here some might throw the eclectic label at me. I can’t stop people from forming their own opinions, but I personally don’t feel the label applies. For one thing, I’m not making my own choices here, these are the being that are coming to me and the others are staying away for whatever the reason, its just the way it is. Though you can choose to believe me on this point or not. Also its hardly a random mishmash system I’m just throwing together, there is nothing random about it. Its all very tightly focused, all very well tied together in any number of ways. Its rather frightening actually.
4. While I do think its agreed upon that understanding ancient culture is important in truly understanding how and why the religion worked a certain way, it may be more debatable how many people actually think adopting the ancient worldview yourself is necessary. Though some think that it is.
I’m not going to pretend that our current culture is perfect, it isn’t, but nor do I hold to some romanticized vision of the past either. News flash, no culture at any point in time has ever been perfect, nothing will ever be perfect so long as people are involved. I am not in ancient Greece, nor do I honestly believe that the worldview would have remained exactly the same more than a thousand years later had the ancient faith survived. Naturally a person’s faith can and will influence their behavior and the way they see the world, but this should be a more organic process and not something dictated to you by others. I have never gotten the impression that my deities want me to reject everything I ever was or believed in in the twenty plus years I was alive before finding them, light it all on fire and automatically adopt someone else’s idea of the world wholesale. My gods prefer me to think for myself, thank you very much.
I’m not overly influenced by the culture that I live in now, I’ve always been pretty far outside the norm and my total lack of desire to fit in and be accepted makes it hard to make a real impression on me. My place in the world is as an outsider serving a liminal god, it wouldn’t make much sense of me to take on the cultural norm of any place or time. Though it doesn’t mean I can’t attempt to understand it intellectually, just like I try to intellectually understand this culture now (so difficult to do).
Many have observed that Hermes seems very at home in our modern world. Indeed there may be many elements to our current culture that are very Hermetic, for better or worse (that will largely depend on who you’re talking to). Though I do agree with this, I also believe that Hermes, being a deity of change, would be able to adapt to just about any culture at all. He has never struck me as being too terribly traditional, and others have had this experience of him as well (though your mileage may vary).
Hermes seems to prefer me to be a free agent, not become overly involved with any specific organization or movement. He wants me free of labels and the constrictions they bring. I got my beginning there, the label pushed me to focus on the studying that I needed to do, and now that I have my grounding it is apparently time to move on. Which is not to say that I ever stop studying, but that it may be time now to broaden focus to include things often left out of the Reconstructionist movement, like mysticism or magic (both things Hermes specializes in, like it or don’t).
I don’t fit in with the Recon movement, though there remains enough similarities that I can still hang in the background on the lists and groups that I was involved with before, I’ve maintained my same contacts through the massive changes I’ve made. I don’t fit in with the NeoPagan movement either. And no, its not up to some arrogant Reconstructionist up on his high horse trying to pin a scarlet “ENP” on everyone he doesn’t like to decide what is NeoPagan and what isn’t; self identifying NeoPagans can decide for themselves who fits in with them and who doesn’t, and they don’t recognize me as one of their own, the differences between me and them are just as great if not greater. Too liberal for the one, too conservative for the other, I find myself somewhere in between. Which is probably perfectly appropriate for me.

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May 2, 2009 at 7:16 pm
mamiel
I also feel uncomfortable being either recon or neo-pagan. If forced to choose, then OK, I guess I am a neo-pagan because I observe Beltane and Samhain (and always will), but on a daily baisis my worship is centered exclusively on devotion to Greek gods. Occasionally I will make devotional offerings to my ancestors in a Roman-inspired lararium in the threshold of my home. Oh Noez! Roman and Celtic traditions in da house mixed up with Hellenismos! I guess that’s not OK, even if I am Irish and Italian by heritage?
Whenever I go to a website dedicated to reconstructionism, I observe that about 50% or more of the conversations are centered on bashing Wiccans and neos. Seems like so much energy goes into opposition. I am not a huge fan of Wiccan stuff generally, but I would rather put time and energy into learning about my gods or in devotion than in bashing other polytheists.
No polytheist religion that I am aware of in any part of the world was ever
homogeneous. Of course, every household and every town and every individual had respective patron deities that they honored and worshipped. That is the absolute beauty of paganism. If your neighbor is a ironsmith, clearly a large part of devotion in that household would go to Hephaistos, a seafaring person, farmer, prostitute, mother, soldier, would have devotion practices that reflected their lives or the lives of their ancestors, or the patrons of the city they lived in. To me the notion of “observing the twelve” as a mandate is absurdity. Some people may be able to do this, gods love them, that is great for them! It is not for me, and I really, really, really doubt that all the ancients observed in this manner.
May 2, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Ruadhan
Loved the post, Gavin!
I see a lot of similarities to where I’m coming from in what you say, but again, it’s similarities. I figure I’m on the moderate-to-progressive part of the spectrum: I don’t fit in with the gung-ho big-R-Recon Philosopher types for obvious reasons, and I don’t fit in with the very devoted Athenian reconstructionists on the simple fact that I feel Eros has let me to the Boeotia (and specifically Thespiae) region of ancient Hellas for a reason. I also have a focus on Eros, the Theoi of Boeotia, and Those Whom I see often referred to as the “flower boys” — but following Eros immediately is Apollon and Hermes maybe a light stone’s throw away; I’m a very spiritual person with some very “mystical” attributes to my practises (and such attributes I regard as very personal and rarely share).
I also share a love-hate relationship with the terms “pagan” and “neopagan”. On one hand, I acknowledge that many in Hellas eschew them if only because of the stereotypes surrounding those labels, so I tend to steer clear of self-applying them when I know I’m speaking with people who have strong pejorative associations with those labels, or may simply avoid them for debatable historical reasons (but as you and I both know, there is much in the “recon community” that isn’t a debatable point), or in mixed company or if I’m unsure of the general consensus of those I’m speaking with — on the other hand, in the U$, UK and Oz, the terms are largely benign and neutral, and I actually found it much easier to say to my therapist that my religion was “ancient Greek-style paganism” because I don’t think she’d ever heard the term “Hellenic polytheist” before, and to her (and after some explanation), the two terms seemed synonymous and she seemed to feel that preference for one term or the other said more about the prejudices of the person self-applying the term than it said about the greater Pagan & Polytheist community.
Still, I’ll call it “the Pagan & Polytheist community” because I’ll still often-enough run into enough self-identified pagans, either on-line or elsewhere (like in this one book I’m reading to review it for my Urban Hellenistos blog) who will differentiate between the two, stating or outright implying that Pagans/NeoPagans base their practises on the Wiccan model (though they may still have reverence for ancient traditions) and Polytheists base their practises on ancient or “tribal” traditions.
It’s kind of confusing to find oneself even a part of a community only to discover that the “standards” of terminology usage are still pretty broad and vague. It’s less a case of “your mileage may vary” and more a case of “everybody’s mileage WILL vary — suck it up, kiddo.”
May 2, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Ruadhan
…there is much in the “recon community” that isn’t a debatable…
Should be “there isn’t much”.
May 3, 2009 at 10:45 pm
liminalrealm
I use the term Pagan often enough, because its one that people understand. Drawing a line between Pagan and Polytheist seems odd to me; polytheism is a particular belief, one that some Pagans have, not a faith in and of itself.
What it comes down to for me, I’m here for the gods. I can’t worry over much about what other people think of it. I can still be considered Recon enough for some people (moderate-progressive sort), I’m just not interested in participating in the pissing contests. Too many people got too much to say about what I do or don’t do, easier to just remove myself from the game. Now if they want to insist I have no business worshiping the gods at all, they can bite my ass. Not up to them to decide.
May 3, 2009 at 10:37 pm
liminalrealm
It is true that there seems to be way too much energy focused on bashing NeoPagans, and the term gets thrown around sometimes like its the equivalent of a leper. Its tiring, and its incredibly immature. That isn’t to say you can’t make honest comparisons about what you do differently and why you think it may be better, but you can do that while still being respectful and most people shoot right past that line.
What you say about ancient Pagan religions is very true, could also add in that not every city would necessarily agree on who “the twelve” were. The Athenian calendar had certain days set aside each month for certain deities, but not all of the twelve were represented in that (Ares, Hephaistos, Hera, Zeus, etc.). Several deities didn’t even have their own holidays, Ares doesn’t appear to get much mention at all. Equality my ass. Yeah, for those who can do so and find satisfaction in it, all the power to you. Not for me, and don’t present it as a requirement.
Here is another good thing about bowing out of labels. Not having to care about living up to someone else’s standards, far less drama.
May 3, 2009 at 2:55 am
svartesol
This is a particularly good post and one that brings up a lot of food for thought.
I used to run away from the recon label and over time I have come to embrace it more. Contrary to words that have been put in my mouth (not by you, obviously), I do not think reconstructionism is *the only way* to approach Deity. I do have a problem with people who will use terminology that is not appropriate and do things without doing homework first. But not following something to the letter is not necessarily being fluffy. In my own tradition offerings tended to be either A. human sacrifice or B. livestock sacrifice. If A. were to be legal tomorrow I would still have serious reservations and not feel that good about taking a life. With regards to B. I do not have the land or knowledge of rearing and butchering animals and I think botching an animal sacrifice is bad luck for all involved. It doesn’t say in the lore (TM) that Freya likes strawberries or that Frey likes Goldschlager but I’ve given these as offerings and found them well-received.
So while historial research should be a default position as not to make any gross cultural faux pas, at the same time most of us just by living in the 21st century are not going to be able to do things exactly as they were done, and it’s up to us to then determine from history what is appropriate additions or subtractions. And historical research should always be recognized as “seeing through a glass, darkly” – short of building a time machine we will never know the life story of every person and even with what we do know, things differed widely even within the same basic polytheist trad.
Finally, I never understood this “honor the Gods equally” thing. Even before I ever oathed to my fulltrui I had a couple of favorites and it’s been my observation in nearly 10 years of Heathen practice that most people lean towards 2 or 3 Gods most even if they never take any oaths. I assume this to be true of other polytheist traditions as well.
Anyway, this post shows you’ve made some very clear thoughts on the issue and I for one commend you. Leave it to Hermes to not put you in a neat box, anyway…
-Siggy
May 3, 2009 at 11:11 pm
liminalrealm
Glad to know I come off as thoughtful.
I’ve heard enough of your religious history that I can understand why you would have run from that label. If … um, certain people, had been my first exposure to Reconstructionism, I would have run screaming from it too. The more extreme end really can’t be allowed to define the whole, but sadly that can end up being what happens.
It is a methodology, and I do still employ it to some degree, out of respect for the deities. Community wise, I need to admit I’m out of step on too many issues to consider myself one of them. And its just as well, too much drama in communities and really, I owe my loyalty to the gods themselves, I can’t bother caring too much what … um, certain people think about that.
The must worship all the deities equally thing is indeed baffling, and I’ve not met many (if any) people that can actually pull that off. Baffling also that, at least on the Hellenic side, its limited entirely to “the twelve.” The Greek pantheon is far bigger than just that. So its perfectly safe to ignore Persephone (not considered one of the classic twelve and yet far from a very minor goddess) but ignore Ares and that’s the end of you? *shrug*
I’m all for respecting the deities, and I feel very uncomfortable with someone shitting all over a god (any god). But respect doesn’t mean worship, I don’t see why some can’t get that.
May 4, 2009 at 5:16 pm
svartesol
It is a methodology, and I do still employ it to some degree, out of respect for the deities. Community wise, I need to admit I’m out of step on too many issues to consider myself one of them. And its just as well, too much drama in communities and really, I owe my loyalty to the gods themselves, I can’t bother caring too much what … um, certain people think about that.
And I think this is what… um, certain people should keep in mind before they try to judge you. There is a big difference between someone like yourself who is historically informed and is sincerely devoted to the Gods and thoughtfully forging a path, versus someone who thinks of this as latest cultural flavor of the week and will use terminology of this cultural flavor for rituals or practices without knowing what it means, and deliberately misleads people. There are a lot of Recons who will shit all over someone and not realize that it is behavior like that which causes people to distance themselves from the label of Reconstructionist and Recon communities, not the desire to be “speshul”. Part of the reason why I have taken back the label of Recon is because of articles like this, and because… um, certain people cannot be allowed to speak for all of us. At the same time I totally understand why folks such as yourself are tired of the drama and don’t want more drama over using a word. In the end reconstructionist is just a word.
We go through something similar in Heathenry where all Gods are called “the Aesir”. Nerthus is not an Aesir but She is definitely a Goddess. Ditto for Nehelennia and Hel. I am glad people like Valgrind actually talk about the Aesir as a specific family of beings as opposed to “let’s absorb every Northern God into this pantheon, ja”. I wouldn’t want to ignore Nerthus. As it is I kind of can’t. But it amazes me how people will say stuff like “Skadhi stopped being a giant when She was adopted into the Aesir.” It’s like, “Sure, I guess my husband is Prussian by alchemic osmosis then.” I have seen nobody who can honor “all the Gods equally”. It’s impossible. And I wish more people would address that issue for better understanding as opposed to… um, certain people who will say we choose these things to be special. Screw them.
-Siggy
May 3, 2009 at 6:31 am
Ursus
Excellent post. I can agree with most points. One thing I could add is that a lot of recons want to replicate socio-political arrangements from the Iron Age or Bronze Age. They aren’t as prevalent in the Hellenic community, but you find them in every other recon movement. They are the fanatics that ultimately convinced me to drop the recon label.
May 3, 2009 at 11:15 pm
liminalrealm
Ah yes, having Norse contacts I’ve come across those groups. Yeah, there is something unsettling about that. Like I said, our current culture has its flaws, but the answer isn’t reviving an ancient model. hey, none of them were perfect either (if they were, probably would still be around, huh?).
I hear that a lot of those groups just turn into huge ego trips for the people who wind up on top of their own social structure. What a fucking shock, huh?
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